I've got the deer hides grained. I'm not at all sure I did it correctly. One of the hides I'm pretty sure I got it all, but the other one the grain was really, really hard to find/see/remove. They are rinsing now. Since I don't live near moving water I've got them in a tub in the bathroom and I've been changing the water every few hours. It looks good. I'm never doing this again in the winter. This is SUCH an outside job.